Denny Huang says to YSITD https://books.google.com.tw/books?id=LbO7AAAAQBAJ&lpg=PA57&ots=r8kLnbQhVy&dq=%E7%86%8A%E5%8F%AC%E6%94%BF%20%E5%BC%B5%E5%B1%85%E6%AD%A3%20%E8%85%B3%E5%BA%95%E6%8A%B9%E6%B2%B9&hl=zh-TW&pg=PA57#v=onepage&q=%E8%85%B3%E5%BA%95%E6%8A%B9%E6%B2%B9&f=false